This tutorial goes over why 2.5 GbE is probably way better for you than 10GbE
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Attention this video is for home users and small bussones and not high-end for business usage. 🤷🏿♀️
10Gbe runs fine and is not expensive.
We use fiber(40gbe) to the switch (very cheap) and then a DAC to the workstations.
The real issue with 10Gbe is that you need a well built WS to use it this will change with pcie5.0 x 1 cards.
For home usage and 95% of business in 2023 you don't need anyway a 10Gbe connection . 🤷🏿♀️
Btw. Not that hard to saturate a 10Gbe in a specific type of usages.
Came here because I’m looking for AM5 boards and a couple of them support 10gb ethernet. Don’t really know if it’s necessary but guess I have to look up how speeds are here in Japan and even if my provider and router supports it, if it’s worth it.
Well I'm planning a DS923+ NAS. I'm considering a Netgear GS110EMX managed switch. Switch and NAS will be colocated. The Windows PC will be at most 24 feet from the switch. Which speed Ethernet cards would you recommend for the NAS and PC. I really don't think I need more than 2.5gb, and 5gb cards are hard to find. Can I put a 2.5gb into the DS923+ slot? Thanks!
Thank you man!
Thanks for the sensible advice
who the f is consuming LAN speed where this matters? average 4k tv file is 5-10gb so this level is unlikely ever need so this is all BSuntil 8k become a standard!
I went with a 10gb switch and router. Asus GT-11000 pro > TPLink TL-SX1008 (10gb 8 port switch) > 2 x Dlink DMS-106xt (1x10gb port, 5 x 2.5gb ports) > 2 x Asus GT6's. This will fit my needs for a while. Anything client side will just need to be upgraded as manufactures adapt with demand.
It's much easier in the Linux world than the proprietary mess of ifruit.
Hey there! I wander: one year later….are you still rocking the 2.5? Personally I will probably upgrade to 10Gbe anyway. As all the wiring in my house has to be redone anyway. Internet now enters in the oposite site of my house. As cable management is a bit tricky in my house, I will probably directly go for cat8. So that I'm set for the next decade or so 🙂
I’m unconvinced
Suppose I use a MacStudio with 10G port, can I connect to the DS1621xs+ 10G port with good bandwidth?
This dude is lost…
Thanks!
If I was going to use 10G I would just go Fiber optic. Funny, we have some 100G stuff at my work which actually uses copper, but use QSFP28 cables.
it's RARE that someone is going to use multi gigabit networking on a notebook. i'm not saying that you can't. clearly there are adapters to make it happen, but most folks who are going to run multi gigabit networking are going to be using a desktop or server form factor setup. for my desktops and servers in my house i've gone all 10g because it is significantly faster in transferring files particularly to and from ssd's or large RAID arrays. my workstation has a 4tb pcie4 and 2 4tb pcie3 nvme drives (capable of 7 and 3.5 gigabit/s transfer speeds respectively), it's got 128gb of ram as well which does a fantastic job of caching recently read and written files. it has an onboard aquantia aqc-107 10g base-t chipset. my primary NAS has 8 16tb 7200rpm hard drives in it in raidz3 and is cached by a couple of nvme ssd's and 64gb of ram it has an onboard aquantia aoc-104 10g base-t chipset. my secondary NAS has 8 10tb 7200rpm hard drives cached by a couple nvme ssd's and 64gb of ram and it uses an intel x540-t2 pcie 10g base-t network adapter. I use a pc based router running pfsense with another intel x540-t2 (2 10g ports one in from my frontier fiber ONT and one out to my 10g switch. I also run a hyper-converged proxmox virtualization cluster that hosts a variety of web and network services consisting of 5 dell optiplex 5060's, each with it's their own 512gb and 2tb pcie3 nvme drives, and intel x540-t2 dual port 10g base-t card (one port on it's own vlan for ceph software defined storage, the other for the services that the cluster provides, and a seperate gigabit vlan for management. my fiber connection is currently 2g symmetrical, but I'm able to go up to 5g symmetrical should I need it. tl;dr: 10g is perfectly valid for home prosumer use. I'm an IT consultant and do a bunch of video production and photography. Also FWIW, you don't HAVE to use cat5e/cat6 for 10g either… if you want a lower power solution (for a bit more money), you could go with an sfp+ switch and do either direct attached copper (DAC) cables OR, you could choose to futureproof your network and wire your home for om3 fiber cable. it's inexpensive, and can handle (currently) up to 100g on a single wavelength. if you use a multimode transceiver, you can gang multiple light wavelengths together – each wavelength is like running a separate strand of fiber and you can pretty easily go up to 1tb with a single strand, . when I buy my place in a couple years, I plan to do some renovations and get both cat6 and om3 in my walls, probably keep my 10g base-t gear and upgrade to sfp+ stuff piecemeal. Notebooks are fantastic internet appliances, writing appliances, etc. but it's not where I would want to do the majority of my work. Further, even when I use my notebook, it's usually to remote into my desktop which can then utilize my various network, storage, and compute resources.
I'm about to order a Synology NAS. I was going to get the OWC 10Gbe adapter but then I realized that my CalDigit TS4 has a a 2.5 Gbe port on the back. Can I just use this to connect to the NAS and not order the OWC?
Thanks.
Ha I'm going the other way … E25G21-F2. Love the videos Rex. 🙂
I'm new to networking so I may say something or ask something that might be obvious to gurus but not me.
I was planning on installing Ethernet throughout my house. I wanted to use an Omada system for the sake of simplicity and having everything talk to eachother. would a 2.5 network be sufficient for adhoc gaming and media or should I look at a 5g setup so as not to saturate 2.5?
Nothing better than 950MB/s , once you try it you can't go back. 10Gb > 2.5Gb Easy!
1gbps is indeed too slow to be the modern standard connector…especially for home or small office environment, however it is usable. 2.5/5gbps auto negotiation makes much more sense. Important stuff can be on 2-3 port lagp/lacp, such as switches, routers, servers, and nas…. 3x5gbps handles pretty much anything you throw at it. Why not 10G… historically, these generate too much heat and higher switch fan speeds(noise) while being much more expensive per port. Especially if you add 30-60w POE options on each port. 12 port 1/2.5/5gbps managed multigig switches with 250w POE budget will sell really well. Enterprise can have 25gbps uplink ports.
1:37 My two year old TV apparently didn't get that memo, as it only has a 10/100 Ethernet port.
The biggest problem I've encountered with my limited experiments with 2.5Gbit, is the DRIVERS*. I've got (4) of the inexpensive (under $30) USB3 2.5Gbit adapters, started out with 2 and had problems, bought more. To get full 2.5Gbit speed AND Jumbo frame, you have to compile the driver from source and blacklist some cdc modules in Linux. On the OSX side you need to install the latest updated driver from website. After all that, it works – but not on MX21 for some reason – so I switched to Linux Mint Debian Edition and got ~270MB/sec with a single-cable point-to-point connection, no switch. Speeds were a bit all over the place. Planning on buying an inexpensive 8-port 2.5Gbit switch to replace my Gigabit switch and see if it helps things. Both OSX and Linux were sysctl tweaked for 10Gbit ethernet speeds.
Do I stumbled upon this in Realtek 8125 description – that it's supposedly supports "2.5G Lite (1G data rate)". Have you ever seen anything like this?
I wonder how 4x 2.5g link aggregation would perform compared to 10g power wise and cost wise.
2.5GB is not better than 10GB
What it is is often "good enough" for quite a bit CHEAPER.
But in my deployment, 2.5 is flat out not fast enough for the core of my network – while 100MB would be fast enough for what SOME of my machines do (but they're mostly running 1GB 'cause it's too cheap any more to bother with 100MB I don't already have).
And by the way – most GAMERS don't want anything to do with the high cost and LOW performance and TINY screens on a laptop.
On the other hand – for MOST people MOST of the time, 1GB is plenty and will be for years.
Would 2.5GB allow to work directly from the NAS editing RAW, 1080, 4K video, or is it better and/or need a 10gb connection?
You have to keep in mind that 2.5GB switches today start at $100.
10GB switches you pay more than $900.
The ongoing energy costs for 10GB are significantly higher.
Can i use a usb3 2.5GBE adapter on a synology ds1718+? If so please recommend one.
Thanks for shared real life experience with audience. It's really useful.
Besides vendors trying to justify why they don't have 10gbe in this day and age, I have never seen anybody do such an argument. The argument is interesting, and include very good points. Desktop macs of many prices have 10gbe option or out of the box since at least. 2017. Cat7 cables are no longer so rare, and a bunch of NAS products are coming with 10gbe. People that are becoming to move from DASD to NAS as prices converge are used to high performance, something that 2.5gbit ethernet can't give you. For a modern person who used to have at least a sata SSD a NAS need to be close to 500MB/s that is not something that 2.5gbe can do. 2.5gbe is like attaching a spinning drive to your computer but with higher latency.
I agree. If you need more, go used enterprise gear
Actually, Zyxel has very nice reliable and cheap 10GbE switches like the XGS1210. Zyxel has both managed and unmanaged switches under the 200 dollars/euros.
Thank you for the video. Very interested in 2.5Gb but you failed to mention accurately what type of USB interface is needed on the adapter. I know it can be A or C but I assume it must be one of these two at the host level port or hub.
SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps – USB 3.2 Gen 1×1 / USB 3.0
SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps – USB 3.2 Gen 2×1
Most Macs only have 😂5Gbps Type A ports but most Thunderbolt hubs have both C and A that support 5 or even 10 Gbps.
My new QNAP RAID and QNAP both support 2.5 GbE.
I opted for 2.5 in my home. My goal was to be able to stream 4K video from my NAS over Wi-Fi without bottlenecking the network. The eero Pro 6e I have can broadcast over 1Gb and supports 2.5Gb wired LAN, so 2.5Gb was the way to go. Overall I'm very happy with the performance. Gigabit internet is plenty and 2.5 for a home network seems just right. I think I'll be sticking with that for the foreseeable future.
Drats…..I just got a 5 Gig Fiber Internet from Frontier. Why is it so hard to find some 5 Gbe unmanaged. switches and a good wifi 6e mesh system for wired and wireless connectivity in my home. I have upgraded all my ethernet cable to cat 6e already.