Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch’s claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon
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LINKS MENTIONED:
– Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube):
– Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel):
– Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday):
– Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters):
– The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin):
– In Plain Sight (Ross Coulthart’s book):
– Ross Coulthart’s podcast (Need To Know):
– Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE:
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE:
– Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs:
– Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE:
– News Nation Interview with Ross:
– UFOs and Nukes documentary:
– The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook):
– The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson):
– Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse’s channel:
– Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE:
– Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE:
– Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE:
– Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm:
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1):
– Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE:
– Theo Von’s channel:
– Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE:
– Podcast w/ Noam Chomsky on TOE:
– Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE:
TIMESTAMPS:
– 00:00:00 Introduction
– 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch…
– 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
– 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
– 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
– 00:20:46 Jesse’s relationship with Grusch
– 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
– 00:37:00 Oppenheimer’s involvement in UFO research?
– 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
– 00:56:46 The Faustian bargain of forbidden knowledge and love
– 01:08:06 Inside Peter Thiel’s family office, Palantir, and PR
– 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
– 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
– 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose’s theory, multiverses)
– 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
– 02:07:20 Why UFOs follow cars and planes
– 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
– 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
– 02:29:08 Behind the scenes of the David Grusch talks
– 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
– 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
– 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
– 03:00:17 Curt’s disappointment in UFO “revelations” lacking tangible evidence
– 03:11:04 Future TOE plans and channel updates
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TIMESTAMPS:
– 00:00:00 Introduction
– 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch…
– 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
– 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
– 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
– 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch
– 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
– 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
– 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
– 00:56:46 The Faustian bargain of forbidden knowledge and love
– 01:08:06 Inside Peter Thiel's family office, Palantir, and PR
– 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
– 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
– 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)
– 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
– 02:07:20 Why UFOs follow cars and planes
– 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
– 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
– 02:29:08 Behind the scenes of the David Grusch talks
– 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
– 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
– 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
– 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence
– 03:11:04 Future TOE plans and channel updates
LINKS MENTIONED:
– Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
– Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
– A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP
– Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
– Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
– Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
– The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
– Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
– Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
– Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
– News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
– UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
– The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
– The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
– Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
– Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
– Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
– Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
– Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
– Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
– Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
– Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
– Podcast w/ Noam Chomsky on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlORiRfcaQe8ZdxKxF-e2BCY
– Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc
debunking the narrative will reveal just how comprehensive and encompassing the fabrication is…
😢😢 very dissapointed that after almost 4 hours UFO topics we didn't learn something new!! Always repeating stuff from others " insiders " , c'mon guy's!! Same stories same anecdotal evidence BUT NOTHING ABOUT DATA!! I'LL STOP LOOKING THIS CHANNEL after 4hours wasted!!
If there are a million million civilizations in our Milky Way alone, they don't all know everything. We, on the other hand, know almost nothing. The thing slowing us down now is greed. Greed is by far our largest enemy. If we don't overcome that issue, we probably don't deserve existence.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall if these two ever went out for a beer together
To expand on what he says around 1:58, this is a feature of how classification works. Class guides tend to be pretty specific, but also in general you can’t imply anything classified by association or aggregation. I used to be a defense system analyst, and the way I used to explain it was: “I can either discuss technical details without any mission description, or roughly describe the mission without spilling any technical details”.
The energy between you two is so incredible. This might literally be your best podcast ive watched yet, and Ive been following you since you only had a few thousand subscribers.
Whats incredible about this channel, and indeed this very podcast here is a perfect example of this, is that I myself have asked all these same questions of my friends and discussed them with them in detail, but its so hard to find anything out there thats really dealing with these sorts of questions.
My best advice to you is, dont get too concerned over the finances or the promoting. Things will happen, just keep your motivations pure and everything will indeed work out.
Dont be afraid to put up a link or something for donations if you really need to as well.
And please, be kind to your wife. The work you do is important, but we often forget that its the people behind the scenes that are just as important to making the machine run so smoothly. At the end of the day, your first responsibility is to the people around you.
Good luck to you both. God is with you.
This is bigger than the jimmy neutron and Timmy turner crossover.
Great episode. So much amazing information to digest. Please keep doing your thing. TOE's making a difference!
Can't wait to discuss planetary collisions and comet plasma-craters with the both of you, one day.
Better data = better Science.
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48:47 bro, I thought he said "I wouldn't" not " Ed Witten" …I just went down a rabbit hole of who it could possibly be….I need hobbies😅 😅
Jesse says 'nobody asks whether China or Russia could be behind UAPs' 🤷♂️ Dude, that question is one of the most popular questions that gets asked ALL THE TIME
Curt, try getting some moulded ear plugs, they work like a charm!
You are both amazing. I love both of your podcasts. ❤ keep up the good work.
Jesse out here dropping straight gems. Thanks for this.
Maaaan I love watching you two talk! You should do another podcast for sure! You’re both so smart and full of knowledge and it’s just so enlightening to listen to you talk about this subject but also around the subject!
Love the TOE podcast, massive fan of Jesse!
It's intresting Satanic themes mentioned but reallys it's quite the oppisite as the "tech" has almost nothing to do with it sure if you know the differentces between the point down pentical or the pointed up pentical… But the ideas of Satanism or Demonolraty or even Luciferianism follow a lot more with this mass awakening to the truth that's going on. Don't assume the truth on the darkside of belifes from the lies of a book tranlated way too many times to be able to trace the turth and motivations.
❤❤ Hail Satan Hail Lucifer ❤❤
startet interesting until jesus came into the game….that is ridiculous
Anonymous sources say, 'Jesse knows your mom …'
Great convo, love both of your work. But oh man did I start getting peeved with Jesse's use of the word "like".
Drinking game idea: A shot for every time the word "like" was unnecessary.
(spoiler: don't, you'll die.)
I can see a nuclear powered probes in search of life, being drawn to earth to run the program and investigate. Perhaps the creators of the crafts died off millions of years ago. I can see the need for water for fusion power as the reason to have affinity to water, and the nuclear radiation risk as the reason to avoid people. I can understand interest in nuclear power as a filter in the program to search for life.. The biologicals are the thing that does not work for me. Where would they live? In space RV. What do they eat : direct energy or chemical energy. I like the way Avi Loeb is investigating, I just don't know what to think about the claims that there are biologicals. Perhaps I truly primitive and don't understand the physics that are possible.
Entities with a significant advanced intelligence and psychology who are thousand of years ahead of us to such a point that they can travel through space without a problem cannot simply show up and say hello. For them we are just a very primitive species. So, they have to do it little by little in process that will take centuries if not millennia.
I mean imagine if a handful of ships appears in the middle of a few mayor cities and aliens start to step down and walk around us. It will a crazy to the next level. For instance, the realization that all our physics and religions are pretty much dead wrong and a tale. Then, the fear of knowing that we are not alone in the universe and there are beings who can exterminate us in a mater of minutes and there is nothing we can't do about it.
So, In my opinion, the aliens are just playing a game with us crashing ships on purpose, appearing and disappearing, abducting people and waiting for us to evolve our conscience, intelligence and technology to the next level so that they can come over and communicate with us in a open and peaceful way.